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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 21, 2011 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: breaking (up) news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15012427

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 21, 2011 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

they were great for maybe 6 years after forming, afterwhich pretty unlistenable

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2011 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Agreed, Thomas.

But I will never forget how blown away I was first hearing Life's Rich Pagent back in 1986...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rePNg6MmdEQ&;feature=related


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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Fables of the Reconstruction is still a listenable album.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

"Fables" was way better than listenable Sean!

As was Reckoning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67InrEn95Xs&;feature=related

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Gravities Pull

This is how I remember them.

"It's a Man Ray kind of sky." One of the best ever lines in a 'rock' song.

http://tinyurl.com/3kzsrqy

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 22, 2011 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Gravities Pull

Great tune and line. I grew up with them in the truest sense - they were the opening band more times than I can remember in Ga and NC. My first time seeing them was opening for Bow Wow Wow at the Atlanta Biltmore - Peter Buck went to my "rival" high school and is close friends/cohort with my good friends (kevn kinney/drivin n cryin; MacDougal Blues is essentially a REM record w/ Kevn in place of Stipe). There will be more of this coming up (along with mutual good pal John Wesley Harding):
http://www.archive.org/details/KevnKinneyTheMusicalKings

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/51990/John-Wesley-Harding-New-%22Starbucks%22-Video-Fall-Tour

Anyway, they'll sell deluxe re-editions for the next few years and then make big bucks when the original four reform for a reunion. Of course, I'm still waiting on that T-Heads reunion.... (not gonna happen).

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 22, 2011 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Gravities Pull

Is it Byrne nixing the reunion? It seems obvious. I can't see Chris or Tina roadblocking. Byrne seems to me the type of artist who moves on and the past is gone.

Just one more time for fun,

http://tinyurl.com/49az43w

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 22, 2011 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Gravities Pull

Pretty much, from what I hear. Jerry Harrison is just north of the city and the word is that it is byrne - BUT they did play at ROR HOF induction so who knows? Maybe he'll think there is some unfinished business or some musical thought that warrants it? I don't know enough about the personalities involved to know if any real issues other than what you say - been there, done that, move forward (as opposed to furthur backward)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 21, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Fantastic album. I wasn't that familiar with their music before that came out.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

I still love Automatic for the People and that was about 11 years into their career.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 21, 2011 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

I dissent: New Adventures in Hi-Fi is a great album. And while the studio output may have suffered once Berry left, live, they were still a great band - saw them at Greek with Modest Mouse a couple of years back and they still brought it.

And, you'll recognize the locale. #14 was my daily tram...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cnIQHJ169s

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

ahh you know dissent is always good (and welcome); that's a nice clip you linked and i always get a bit nostalgic when i see views of Prague or CR; it seems so long ago now, and maybe i should have stayed, but i'd probably be about 30 pounds heavier due to the lovely (and world's best) lager and living in one of those commie era, cement towers and pining for a whiff of the ocean

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 21, 2011 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

How many years were the Grateful Dead great? Personally, I don't think many groups or folks were great for more than six.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

GD was certainly great for longer than 6 years. Much longer.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

To hear some people tell it, the Grateful Dead were good for about six weeks, in the spring of 1968 or maybe it was 1969. After that, pfffft, nothin' worth listening to.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

i see you've been reading my posts, quite closely it seems too

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:34pm
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LOL

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

sarcasm?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

A verrrrrry slight exaggeration. Regarding some people's views, that is (not mine).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Smarty pants; actually, I love this thread (got my CREAM comments in...perfect!): I give them EXACTLY six yrs.

Always have: 65-71. No exaggeration. Hey, I only give CREAM two yrs, so cut me some slack.

;)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Hm, ok, I didn't realize you went as far back as '65 (seriously? there's stuff worth listening to from '65? if you say so. I'm highly unlikely to listen to '65, to me that's like, you're missing the point, but I know I can't really say that, you saw them an awful lot more than I ever did). anyway.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Wait a minute--you really haven't been reading my posts? I've been saying the first six yrs for...well, six yrs, almost...har, har; but seriously.

Oh yeah--the garage band stuff is a lot more fun than one of my 78 "yawn" shows (Grendel?)...Early Morning Rain? Phil? YOu gotta love it!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

No, I read your posts, I guess I just can't believe you're serious about '66. Seriously, that is of historical interest, but it's hard for me to believe anyone seriously argues they were BETTER then than in, say, '76. I think you stretch your point a bit :) I will listen to '66 but it's out of interest in their history, the same way I will listen to something from the '90's - occasionally, for interest and because there are worthwhile bits here and there. If I had to explain the Grateful Dead to someone who had just arrived from another planet, I wouldn't suggest they start listening to '66 or '95.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 21, 2011 10:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Right; I'd go right to one of the studio albums, either from 70.

But, March of 67 would number three, with Golden Road, and that links to 65 and 66 quite closely.

So, like you, I see the historical roots of 65 as critical, and say, thus "65-71 are the best yrs, IMHO" just as I would say CREAM was great, but would pick 67 over 66 or 68 to introduce someone to them (well analogy breaks down cause they were still great in 68, but that would be like the DEAD if they stopped in 71...well, okay, 72 or 73 would be acceptable).

Assume that makes sense...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

word up. The grateful dead made magic their entire career. It just became much less frequent as the years continued, or varied from period to period etc. the 90's being the most obvious decline in playing. Anyone who says theres nothing good post brent, keith or pig is delusional, simple as that.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

I guess it's pretty obvious when you got on the bus...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

yup ....the bus was.... out of service !!!!!!!!

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:01pm
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Therefore they were better than REM. Logic always wins out.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Why, because you started going to shows?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:31pm
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guess i tripped your trigger eh partner?

You know I never saw them cliff. The concert experience is totally separate from the listening experience. Never saw them so this is how I judge them, by the music, not by any of the stuff that all you folks went through, good or bad.

Do you seriously feel that the dead only had a few good years?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:42pm
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I honestly cant find much worth listening to that was performed after 1981...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

I just don't get it, if anything I would think brents crazy key sound in 79-81 would drive you crazy.

My life wouldn't be as good if I hadn't heard that dew from 94, and it wouldnt be as good if I didnt hear it a bunch more. My argument is that there are goodies in every year. In general the dead seemed to stop the consistency of putting out epic shows after 74. Before this it was rare to have a month without a jaw dropper in the mix. Post 74 they became fewer and more far between. 77 was the exception. The rest are typically riddled with average performances with a gem or two. Then you might get something really great like the Alpine 89 run, or in fact that whole month of july. But again that was a rarity. I wont argue that 68-74 are the most consistently amazing years. But theres plenty of dead out there I love from other years, and I dont care about shows, i care about versions of songs.

the kid and the cliff, perma-head-butting.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:07pm
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Who's Brent?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:11pm
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which is why i don't get you stop at 81...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Although you are now my enemy after what you've said about Clapton, I have pretty much the same opinion about the Dead's greatness through their career. There is way too much good music from the 80's and even 90's to dismiss those years. Sure they weren't as consistent but there were still so many magical shows that I would never only listen to 60's & 70's Dead. Although maybe 85% of my collection is from '66 - '74, I often seek something different and many of the later shows are perfect for that. I even love some of '95. Some of the most beautiful Jerry ballads were from the mid 90's.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:39pm
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lmao.

;)

DIE YOU BLUES LOVING ASS!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 23, 2011 6:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

Well, from my perspective, they will have been great for about 46 years this coming Friday (my 50th birthday).

Someone check my math....

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 23, 2011 6:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mando!

Happy Birthday my man. I wish you a fine dram and your desire. Here's to many more!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 23, 2011 6:36am
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Thanks Sean -

I keep telling myself 50 is just a number. Mrs. Mando agrees, but also reminds me it is a big number.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 23, 2011 6:50am
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Happy birthday!

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 4:47pm
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Clapton has had so many phases of greatness

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:31pm
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err, you mean Layla and take Duane Allman & Bobby Whitlock out of the equation and what have you got left - not a lot ......

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:03am
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I even liked him during his blow-dried hair/white slacks period of the mid 80's. His Behind the Sun album is really good. I always liked See What Love Can do from that album then I found out Jerry did that tunes a few times with his band

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:18pm
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Can't agree. From my perspective, he had one blazingly great and then spent the last 40 years making good. OTOH, his bio is an interesting read.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

1965-1970 were GREAT. Bluesbreakers, lots of Cream, D&D, Blind Faith, and Delaney and Bonnie and Friends all in 5 years!

I consider 1974 to be great. '73 and '77 were good. '91 and '92. Even in 2011 he is still playing at near his peak. I saw him 2 years ago and he was playing as well as I've ever heard him.

He's been playing incredible shows all throughout the 90's and 00's. The Crossroads Festival is always unbelievable.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

over rated guitarist. Anyone can play the blues

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:35pm
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I'll agree in terms of genre burnout, Blues & Reggae come to mind, but as far as Derek is concerned, he exemplifies the true traditions of the rock n roll melting pot and channels from places that mere mortals only dream of.

And BTFW, he is so completely fluid that he makes it look like bending strings and running scales are an everyman trait, which i'm not sorry to say, like Garcia, these guys have more talent in their little finger than most humans body's. Talk about a gifted crossover artist if there ever was one, Joni Mitchell also comes to mind.

Got a Heart Full of Soul!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

oh boy. Don't get me started on Reggae!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 22, 2011 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Overrated? It's all in the ear of the listener

While I certainly see your point about Clapton and respect your opinion, calling a guitar player, or any musician, overrated brings up the whole argument of rating anything. We've had numreous discussions around here about the "Top 100" lists that seem to be puked up on a regular basis. Invariably it turns into a "How could they leave (insert favorite musician here) off the list? They are obviously stupid beyond belief." Anyone with the nerve to come up with a Top Anything list and put it forward as representative of anything other than a sampling of individual opinion is a jackass. You feel Clapton is overrated? While in my opinion I dont agree, I certainly see your point and respect your opinion. Just because we have opposing viewpoints I dont automatically think of you as being "wrong", or "incorrect" or so stupid as to warrant immediate sterilization. My favorite thing around here is a good discussion where opposing veiwpoints are presented and respectfully argued. When threads devolve into folks getting on a "holier than thou" soapbox and negative opinions I usually "change the channel". For the most part this thread has been one of the good ones (taking into a accout WT's complete lack of taste and valuable opinions of any kind). Me? While I agree Clapton could easily be seen as a "niche" player, I find the subtleties in his playing head and shoulders above most other musician. When I listen to music now, it is all about subtleties; the perfect phrasing, the perfect note, the structure of a solo with a clear beginning, middle and end. I agree that just abount any talented musician has the ability to throw out some impressive notes, but do they have structure? Do the tell as story? The blues almost requires this. Jazz playing to me is different in that it doesn't necessarily need the structure, instead acting as an almost unrestricted playground for the players. I think this is where Jazz loses a lot of folks, they prefer the more structured environment a style like the blues provides.

But in the end it is always to each his own. Except for WT. Anything he says is simply wrong and should be ignored.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Overrated? It's all in the ear of the listener

Very well said SDH! And I will never argue about Jazz with someone one doesn't like it. They probably never will due to the complete lack of musical structure at times that most people need in their music.

I understand this completely though and will never try to force somebody to like Jazz. It can sound very disjointed unless you really pay close attention to what's going on musically. A lot of Jazz music is similar to GD music in that you just don't "get it" when first exposed to it. It takes a lot of active listening for it to click sometimes.

I love music discussions and enjoyed defending Clapton here, but like you said the fun goes out the window when people get too defensive of their favorite musicians and can't take them being criticized. Music sounds different to everybody, and I know my musical tastes will never totally agree with those of someone else's. I enjoy that however because that's where fun debates come in.

And thanks for the advice on WT. I never trusted that shady old man ;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:41am
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Funny, but the Dead taught my ear how to appreciate and love jazz. And jazz is a pretty damn broad term....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOBVa6Gg6PA

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:49am
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I agree with that. Listening to the Dead most definitely "opened" my brain up to music that did not conform to the more conventional styles. I credit the Dead for my love for the likes of Miles, Bird and Montgomery. Also, while I certainly respect Jerry for giving the midi a shot, Metheny wrote the book on making it a true art form.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:39am
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WT = Shady Old Man

That about sums it up.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 22, 2011 9:00am
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word to that. You bring up good points.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:31am
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Anyone who saw him on his recent tours with Doyle and Derek and then with Winwood is simply not paying attention if they think he doesn't bring it. The thing that most impressed me about EC was how he laid back - he let others shine and worked within the context of those bands to allow the music to be the primary focus - not the mastrubatory flurry of solo notes.

WT is still wrong - on everything except Willie Weeks.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 22, 2011 8:42am
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Clapton and Trucks together is the perfect combo for me. I'm such a sucker for slide guitar and nobody plays better slide today than Derek. They really brought out the best in each other on stage. I can only imagine how Trucks felt being able to jam with one of his biggest idols and musical influences. Well I guess he's used to all that by now.

Trucks and Tedeschi make me a happy man. Seeing them next month at a small theatre in NY

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 22, 2011 1:42pm
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Yup; I think WW and SW defn brought out the "recent" best in EC. That's for certain.

SOM? SDH? These nicknames are a little too close for comfort...

And, "ear of the beholder" is the problem in a nutshell; half the folks that don't get CREAM just don't listen.

Take JOTS--has he EVER provided ANY evidence that he listens to my advice?

Case closed.

;)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 23, 2011 8:14am
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Sorry, but when it comes to Cream in the ear, I will bow to the master.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

clueless you are!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:48pm
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Ha--all I keep picturing is YOU as Yoda...funny, cause I never had an image for ya, so hope you're okay with that?

No, I am not CLIFF's father...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:16pm
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Bu de de, bum, bum, bum.
Bu de de, bum, bum, bum.


zzzzzzz........

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:32pm
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not really

many try and are adequate, but to really "play the blues" is highly complex and relies on much mere than instrumental acumen.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:41pm
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I think he was joking. I hope so! I don't think anyone on these boards is that ignorant about the blues.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:04pm
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u sure you and him arent the same person????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? caN U DOWNLOAD THE SDBS?????????????

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:18pm
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if he was me then his latest thread would have been about the jack straw from 1987-04-06, der.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 6:46pm
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nah I wasnt really joking. When it comes to the blues, it gets old fast, at least for me. Sure i enjoy the blues far more than lots of other music, i just dont really find it compelling. It becomes repetitive. I prefer to have more than one person on stage improvising. Which is why i think clapton is blah..... you heard one blues solo, well... almost.

And What I was getting at was anyone who can play guitar well can likely do what clapton does (guitar playing wise, im not referring to his writing). When playing with the typical drums bass guitar set up, I cant think of anything much easier to play than the blues. Especially if you're not playing lead guitar, then its very easy.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 22, 2011 6:14am
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CLUEFUCKINLESS

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:26pm
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Do you play any instruments? I never fully appreciated the blues till I really got into guitar. Blues is all about feeling. The fact that many people could replicate what Clapton has played means nothing. They can't play it or sing it with the passion he does. Just look at B.B. King. He plays some of the easiest licks ever played, but his phrasing is perfect and nobody can play like him.

Can I ask what you think of SRV?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking (up) news

I play bass, but I'm not great. I usually just sub in for friends when the good players arent around.

I hear ya man, I like the blues, but its just too stagnant for me. Same with jazz. I wanna shout at everyone else in the band and be like "give me that fuckin thing!" then i rip into a crazy other one solo (LMAO). The best jams come from everyone jamming, not just joe.

SRV, i like him a hell of a lot more than clapton. I always boogie a bit when listening to him. Some of my first memories of listening to music were jamming to crossfire with my dad in the living room. I was probably 6. I also have a friend who cant get dead and plays Old Love OVER AND OVER AND OVER (good song tho). So needless to say his ignorance has made me even less fond of clapton, and part of the reason I continue to feel he is grossly overrated. So maybe im bias, but i still think blues is too repetitive.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 21, 2011 9:12pm
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Look,

SRV was a gifted instrumentalist, however, more often than not, he played the lines inspired by his mentors as compared to inspired passages of his own.

God Speed > SRV!

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:43pm
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Well blues is usually boring as shit on bass haha. No offense intended. My favorite style of bass is straight up funk. Victor Wooten always gets me groovin.

"The best jams come from everyone jamming, not just joe."
Kind of redundant there. Jamming implies multiple musicians. Blues isn't about jamming.

It's cool if you don't dig Clapton though. I can see how a musically ignorant friend could make you not wanna hear him. Some people have ruined my taste in certain bands as well.

Glad you like Stevie. Hard not to enjoy his godly talent. Blows Clapton outta the water with his chops.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:02pm
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well right. I certainly enjoy playing it more than hearing it. But i cant play blues, because if I'm playing, I must improvise. Otherwise I'll just sit down.

And with this whole blues/clapton thing. Its kinda like criticizing a dead song. Its only shitty in comparison to a superior version. Blues > most music. Clapton > most musicians/bands.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:35pm
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IMHO, Clapton only really excelled with Bruce and Baker, and the complexity and energy of the jams, are truly astounding. You have to get the fall 67 stuff to appreciate it, but that trio, with EC as the weak link, showed something with the blues (and a bit more--really) that no one could match. And I say weak link in the most positive fashion possible.

But yeah, anything other than those couple of years, and he leaves me flat. I know he's technically good, but it does nothing for me...for those few shining moments, though, it was truly unreal. As you've read here, there wasn't a person that experienced it, musical talent or total amateur, that didn't come away with the same mind-blown take on CREAM.

As I have indicated now and again (har, har...getting bored?), of course; this just gives me an opportunity to remind JOTS of this fact...

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 22, 2011 6:02am
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Heh, heh, heh. The way rdeniro[] came out of the gate defending EC, I thought maybe you had changed your handle, Prime Minister Tell.

I see you survived the summer—good.

I've been spinning my Cream of latte; thanks again.

TOOTMO

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 22, 2011 6:14am
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CLUEFUCKINLESS

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:29pm
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Totally weird: I had a dream last night that had REM as a subject in it, although I can't recall the details. Anyway, the first story I saw on yahoo in the morning was REM, and then I recalled that I had just dreamed about REM. Keep in mind, I have NO REM in my music collection nor do I listen to the band.

What makes this all the more weird is that "REM" refers to dreaming.

Folks, I PROMISE you, I am not lying - I dreamed about REM randomly the night before I read that news headline. You have to believe me, because I am telling the truth.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:45pm
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There was another dream I had when I was in college and I dreamed a friend showed up at my dorm room by surprise that I had not seen in many months. When I woke up in my dorm room, I got a call from that same friend who was downstairs at the front door, visiting me out of the blue!

Folks, you have to believe me, I am not lying about that story either. It is possible to dream future events. I am not lying. Carl Jung would believe me, so why do you not believe me?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 22, 2011 12:15pm
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" I had too much to dream last night"

love that line in that song.

Here's what I want to know - how come everytime I have a great sex dream something screws it all up somehow?

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 22, 2011 1:46pm
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God does not allow climaxing IN dreams. One time I had a lucid dream about having sex - I was aware I was dreaming. So, I tried really hard at that point, but nothing came to fruition.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 22, 2011 3:04pm
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oh yeah? Well one time after I moved and was in a bit of a dry spell..... wait nevermind

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 22, 2011 2:39pm
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My god allows it

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 22, 2011 3:06pm
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LOL! Good God! Mine always gets screwed up somehow, the alarm goes off right when things get good, or I have two women and one of them turns into someone ugly or all sorts of unfair things. I mean REAL life is unfair enough. WTH?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 7:59pm
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Did somebody say they didn't believe you?!

The thing is, there's usually a rational explanation for such occurrences. For instance, with the friend you hadn't talked to in months showing up out of the blue: in these cases, possibly the friend was thinking about you around that time for the same reasons you were thinking about him around that time. So, you dream about him, and he pays you a visit. Most of these things, when you look at them and try to think logically, they aren't really such amazing coincidences. Old friends call us around the time we're thinking about them because they were thinking about us too.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 22, 2011 4:56am
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Okay Joseph, see if you can explain this one from a week or so ago. I dreamt that Jerry called me to discuss the Grateful Dead's European tours. We talked for a bit, he sounded very good btw and after the conversation ended, he wished me well and told me that when i think of him i should think of ice cream. I laughed, hung up the phone and turned to my wife and told her it was just Jerry and he in a good mood.

I have never had a dream where i have a conversation with Jerry Garcia. I am pretty sure the European tour thing is related to me only listening to E72 these days and the ice cream must have been some bizarre Ben and Jerry's reference, although it was not prompted by their being in the news because this was before the Schweddy Balls hit the market and declared vulgar by people with absolutely no sense of humor. Maybe Jerry knew about the new flavor and he just wanted to make sure that no one forgot about the one named after him. Did anyone else have a dream that involved Jerry and ice cream in the last few weeks?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 22, 2011 4:56am
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Okay Joseph, see if you can explain this one from a week or so ago. I dreamt that Jerry called me to discuss the Grateful Dead's European tours. We talked for a bit, he sounded very good btw and after the conversation ended, he wished me well and told me that when i think of him i should think of ice cream. I laughed, hung up the phone and turned to my wife and told her it was just Jerry and he in a good mood.

I have never had a dream where i have a conversation with Jerry Garcia. I am pretty sure the European tour thing is related to me only listening to E72 these days and the ice cream must have been some bizarre Ben and Jerry's reference, although it was not prompted by their being in the news because this was before the Schweddy Balls hit the market and declared vulgar by people with absolutely no sense of humor. Maybe Jerry knew about the new flavor and he just wanted to make sure that no one forgot about the one named after him. Did anyone else have a dream that involved Jerry and ice cream in the last few weeks?

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 22, 2011 4:06pm
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I think the link to Ice Cream is the Ice Cream Kid from E72. Isn't it?

Ben and Jerry's???.....it's your dream, but I feel you're reaching for that one.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 22, 2011 5:22am
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>Okay Joseph, see if you can explain this one from a week or so ago. I dreamt that Jerry called me to discuss the Grateful Dead's European tours.

This is pretty funny, but it would really be amazing if people here WEREN'T dreaming about Europe 72 these days, considering how pretty much every 10 minutes someone starts a new thread titled "Europe 72"! It's cracking me up.

For the record, I don't think I've ever dreamed about Jerry or any of "the boys." I have had a peculiar experience where I felt that I was looking out at the world through Jerry's eyes ... yes I know that is incredibly flaky, but I guess no more surprising than dreaming about them?

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 22, 2011 11:31am
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I've had a handful of "hanging out with Jerry" dreams at small party gatherings. I AM NOT LYING. There was one that I specifically remember where he was talking about matrixes and how good they sound. I AM NOT LYING. Another one was when he was sitting on my chest and playing acoustic guitar. Very weird, but true.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 22, 2011 11:48am
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For heaven's sake, I don't think you're lying!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 22, 2011 12:33pm
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The MOST painful listening ever... get him to move onto a chair, and there's a dream worth having!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 22, 2011 12:58pm
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truly a dream - everyone knows jerry is a soundboard snob

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:06pm
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But the whole point here is how RANDOM the events are. Why would I care in the LEAST about REM in my dreams? REM was not thinking about me and I was not thinking about REM - the same was true for the other event, except my friend was probably thinking about me while I was sleeping, but not me of him (consciously)....


BTW, I don't know if it's because of the many live shows I listen to or not, but I tend to have lots of dreams about being at live concerts and there are tons of people in the dream. Do other people have lots of live concert dreams here? They are SO intense.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:13pm
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I've had some dreams where I've been at a live show. I can never tell what damn year it is though. They are pretty awesome. When the dream starts, it just begins in the middle of the show though! I never get to see the opener or the encore! I just appear in the middle of the show and then wake the fuck up when I take a spill down the stairs trying to make it to the bathroom. I never find out what show I was at. Very frustrating.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:50pm
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that's pretty funny.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Sep 21, 2011 10:11pm
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I had a dream once that I was Benjamin Franklin. When I woke up I kinda shook my head and thought "Ben Franklin...huh, wonder where that one came from?" Then I noticed I had fallen asleep with the tv on and the History channel was airing a documentary about Ben Franklin. That's why I don't like to sleep with a television on, stuff gets programmed in there. Better to fall asleep to music.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 22, 2011 5:27am
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LOL! Exactly. Our dreams are much more "History channel" than "collective unconscious," especially since we are often falling asleep watching it ...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2011 8:53pm
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Well, but see, first you say this was totally random, then you tell us you dream about live concerts all the time. So it doesn't really seem like such a big coincidence if you happened to dream about REM.

The other explanation is that our brains rearrange the details of things afterwards to make them make more sense. We're just wired to do that. So today you say it's amazing that you dreamed about REM last night, but maybe you've rewritten it just a little in your mind - maybe you dreamed about REM a few nights ago, not just last night? Not saying that's the case, just that there's usually a rational (boring) explanation for these seemingly amazing things.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 21, 2011 9:21pm
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No! Dreams are not rational by any means, and I PROMISE you, I dreamed about REM LAST night, or this morning to be more precise. The point is that we are more aware of the "collective unconscious" in our dreams, so what is being channeled in other people's minds can be received and transformed in the mind of the dreamer, like a radio receiver that can also alter the image at the same time. There have been thorough studies on this reality. We cannot RATIONALLY explain these incidences; we can only describe these profound - and, yes, truly, unequivocally amazing - coincidences.



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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 22, 2011 5:10am
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Okay, relax, I believe you. I don't really believe in a "collective unconscious," though, in some magical sense. It's more like, we've all seen all the same television programs for decades now. Our "collective unconscious" is a grab bag of snippets we saw on TV, on the Internet, in the tabloid headlines etc. We file random stuff away in our brains that doesn't mean much at the time, but gets regurgitated when something later reminds us of it.

So possibly the reason you dreamed about REM and the reason REM made big news headlines the next day is one and the same: maybe some snippets or hints about this actually leaked out a few days before - from people connected to the band, perhaps? the way gossip will do - and you noticed it without thinking much of it, if the band interests you. If you looked around online, you might find that hints were dropped that the band was going to make an announcement.

Also, if you just look at the statistics of "coincidence," they turn out not usually to be very surprising. If you really dream about live concerts frequently, and you like REM, odds are you're going to dream about REM at some point. The statistical possibility of your dreaming about a particular band on the same day that band makes a public announcement is not so remote as it might seem.

And if you then consider all the OTHER bands you've apparently dreamed about, and consider that every other time you've dreamed about a band, they did NOT make a big announcement the next day, this particular event stops seeming so amazing. EVENTUALLY you were going to dream about a band that made a big announcement in the news around the same time you dreamed about them.

Sorry to be a wet blanket :)

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 22, 2011 12:09pm
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NO! It is not simply regurgitation because so much in a dream is radically different and reflects environments and people we have never encountered. IT INVOLVES IMAGINATION TOO! I had this one beautiful dream where I was laying on the very edge of a mountain, the drop-off was to my very right, and a pool of water at the very left. There was a waterfall coming down the mountain and there were stars in the sky. Very heavenly feel to it.

Last night I recall a dream where I was at a party - again I have lots of "large gathering" dreams - and I had a white umbrella that folded up in a very star-like way. I would open it up and spin it in the air, and sometimes almost hit people with it accidentally. Later, my brother walks up to me in my dream with a small box of small, round buttons, or pins to wear. I noticed a bunch of them were just white circles. Another one was a half-black and half white circle with a silver edging around it, which was the one I picked. There were also yellow buttons and other colored buttons.

What's weird about all of this is that I just this week started reading a book by Jung where he talks about mandalas and circular shapes as being symbolic in dreams of the inner self. I thought that I never really have mandala dreams, just all these large crowd dreams. BUT THEN - LAST NIGHT - the white umbrella and the buttons manifest as very symbolic realities in my dream, which Jung would relate to the mandala as an ancient, oft-recurring spiritual/psychological image that appears in our dreams. But maybe I am only dreaming these circular symbols because I'm reading about them now - or maybe - JUST MAYBE - Jung is teaching me to notice them more in my dreams.




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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 22, 2011 11:49am
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I didn't say dreams just regurgitation - I said that small snippets of information that our brain files away probably explain a lot of the supposed coincidences in dreams. Of course dreams also involve imagination! What I am saying doesn't mean they don't have any meaning; it just means they probably aren't actually prophetic or anything - the appearance of this is usually our minds playing tricks on us. They still have a lot of personal significance.

Your dream sounds pretty cool. I do think you're likely dreaming about mandalas because you're reading Jung; but if you're into that stuff, I don't expect you to see it my way :)

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 22, 2011 12:19pm
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Why do you not dig Jung, overall? Is there a specific psychological viewpoint/theory you prefer instead? I'd love to hear about it. I am not a "Jungian" by any means, but I find a bunch of his ideas helpful.

Also, I agree that dreams are generally not "prophetic," but I think they often can be revealing in terms of connecting us with a larger, interconnected psychic reality. I don't think we are wholly isolated in our interior world.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 22, 2011 5:44pm
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Oh, I agree we are connected psychologically, I just don't care for the mystical stuff in Jung.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 22, 2011 7:19pm
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REM also means Rapid Eye Movement and going into the dream state. I'll have to talk to Don Juan & Don Genero about that tonight

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 22, 2011 7:03am
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Worst concert I ever saw. Hands down. So bad I puked on my own shoes. Left after about 20 minutes. Studio stuff is great, no doubt.

2nd Worse: Black Crows.

I know front men by necessity are usually egotistical (not all), but Stipe (on the nights I saw them at least) was in full fledged "I am God. My thoughts, opinions, and political view points are so far above yours that I can barely stand to be in the same room as you moronic, mouth breathing, inbred invertibrates." Bono definitely is in this group, although the show of theirs I did see wasn't too bad.

Sorry, whenever REM is mentioned, I gag just a little.